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| Windsor Garth residents Craig Thompson, left, and Brian Bevan are concerned about proposals for waiting restrictions in their street |
COUNCIL bosses have come under attack from York residents amid proposals to paint their streets with double yellow lines.
Dozens of residents living in Acomb will be prevented from parking outside their homes if the plans go ahead.
City of York Council said the 24-hour waiting restrictions were necessary because parked vehicles were obstructing local buses. The streets affected are Kingsway West, Ascot Way and Windsor Garth.
But Brian Bevan, of Windsor Garth, said the double yellow lines would cause serious problems for residents.
He said: "We won't be able to park ourselves and we won't be able to have visitors. It's going to cause absolute chaos for the people who live here.
"I'm a taxi driver and if I'm not able to park my minibus outside my home then I don't know what I'm going to do.
"There's nowhere in the nearby area where I can park it, and I don't want to leave it in another residential street because that will annoy the residents living there.
"I wouldn't want to either, because it needs to be outside my house for security reasons."
The 61-year-old said his only option would be to take early retirement.
He said: "Financially, that would be absolutely dire for me, but I wouldn't have a choice. If I can't park my minibus, then what can I do?"
City of York councillor Andrew Waller, who represents the Westfield ward, said the situation was extremely difficult.
He said: "These are only proposals at this stage and the opportunity is there for residents to give their views.
"There is a history in the area because the roads were not built with the level of car ownership that now exists.
"We are having difficulty with the bus route and over the last 14 years we have been working to increase the amount of off-street parking in the area."
A City of York Council spokeswoman said they would be taking into account the objections of residents when the final decision was made.
She said: "The proposal follows continuing problems with buses struggling to get down the streets due to vehicles parked on both sides of the road."
Objections to the council must be made in writing by May 15.
1:02pm Wednesday 7th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: the invisible man, southbank on 1:08pm Wed 7 May 08
If the Coucil do this here it will be a green light for them to do this in more areas of York. Why can't the buses be down sized to mini buses for those routes or re-routed around the residential streets. York Council is a joke and should be voted out on a vote of no confidence before they do any more damage to the lives of local residents. And no I did not vote for them
If the Coucil do this here it will be a green light for them to do this in more areas of York. Why can't the buses be down sized to mini buses for those routes or re-routed around the residential streets. York Council is a joke and should be voted out on a vote of no confidence before they do any more damage to the lives of local residents. And no I did not vote for them
Posted by: Stevie in Selby, Selby on 1:23pm Wed 7 May 08
Whenever I've been to that area, it's been hard to drive down the roads in a car, I'm amazed that buses manage to get through at all, even using the baby buses they have on that route!
If residents want the bus service to continue, they will have to sacrifice some on-road parking. Maybe more off-road parking needs to be made available.
Whenever I've been to that area, it's been hard to drive down the roads in a car, I'm amazed that buses manage to get through at all, even using the baby buses they have on that route!
If residents want the bus service to continue, they will have to sacrifice some on-road parking. Maybe more off-road parking needs to be made available.
Posted by: Flash, York on 1:26pm Wed 7 May 08
Your going to have to live with it, people ignore them anyway and the council don,t take any action over it. You will get a drive put in by the council which will cause disruption for god knows how long and when its all finished everyone still parks on the lines. They do in Eason view and Chaloners road anyway.Foxwood Lane should be next. If people parked sensibly then none of this would be necessary.
Your going to have to live with it, people ignore them anyway and the council don,t take any action over it. You will get a drive put in by the council which will cause disruption for god knows how long and when its all finished everyone still parks on the lines. They do in Eason view and Chaloners road anyway.Foxwood Lane should be next. If people parked sensibly then none of this would be necessary.
Posted by: Mark, Tadcaster on 1:28pm Wed 7 May 08
Why not simply re-route the buses down Stuart Road instead of having them trail around these tiny estate roads. I'm sure most people are willing and capable of walking a little bit further to get to a bus stop either there or on Gale Lane.
There are far too many bus stops on most routes anyway, some only a couple of hundred yards apart. Surely cutting the number down would help traffic flow, decrease pollution caused by the constant stopping and starting and help the buses run more freely.
Why not simply re-route the buses down Stuart Road instead of having them trail around these tiny estate roads. I'm sure most people are willing and capable of walking a little bit further to get to a bus stop either there or on Gale Lane.
There are far too many bus stops on most routes anyway, some only a couple of hundred yards apart. Surely cutting the number down would help traffic flow, decrease pollution caused by the constant stopping and starting and help the buses run more freely.
Posted by: cynical, York on 1:35pm Wed 7 May 08
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).
Posted by: paul, york on 1:50pm Wed 7 May 08
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them, if the vehicles were correctly parked this wouldnt be needed so i totaly agree and if they want to put them outside my house thats fine im sick of driving down yorks streets with cars on grass verges, double parked etc its about time the council acted and ticketed these vehicles, and i notice you found yet another poor taxi driver they are the biggest bunch of whingers ive ever seen they want to pay for nothing and get every priveledge in the book. york cabs are vastly over priced and the service is a joke they should take a trip to harrogate and see how it should be done.
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them, if the vehicles were correctly parked this wouldnt be needed so i totaly agree and if they want to put them outside my house thats fine im sick of driving down yorks streets with cars on grass verges, double parked etc its about time the council acted and ticketed these vehicles, and i notice you found yet another poor taxi driver they are the biggest bunch of whingers ive ever seen they want to pay for nothing and get every priveledge in the book. york cabs are vastly over priced and the service is a joke they should take a trip to harrogate and see how it should be done.
Posted by: Manwithaview, York on 2:35pm Wed 7 May 08
Why don't they just put Double yellow lines down one side of the road. That way buses and other cars would be able to get through?:
Why don't they just put Double yellow lines down one side of the road. That way buses and other cars would be able to get through?:
Posted by: Guy Fawkes, Bootham on 2:38pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them?[/quote]
Because when these residents bought or first rented the properties they now live in, roadside parking was available. If you take that away after the event, you've reduced their quality of life and the value of their homes, especially in an area with relatively poor public transport.
If I was moving house now, I would find out if the place I was thinking of buying or renting had either off-road or nearby roadside parking available. If it didn't, I would have no legitimate complaint if I then found I couldn't park, because I should have checked this out first. But if I move into a place which does have roadside parking and then they take it away, then I should be entitled to expect the council to provide me with an alternative.
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them?
Because when these residents bought or first rented the properties they now live in, roadside parking was available. If you take that away after the event, you've reduced their quality of life and the value of their homes, especially in an area with relatively poor public transport.
If I was moving house now, I would find out if the place I was thinking of buying or renting had either off-road or nearby roadside parking available. If it didn't, I would have no legitimate complaint if I then found I couldn't park, because I should have checked this out first. But if I move into a place which does have roadside parking and then they take it away, then I should be entitled to expect the council to provide me with an alternative.
Posted by: dodger, york on 2:51pm Wed 7 May 08
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Posted by: dodger, york on 2:51pm Wed 7 May 08
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Posted by: dodger, york on 2:51pm Wed 7 May 08
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Posted by: Keith, York on 3:06pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]dodger[/bold] wrote:
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines [/quote] Private Hire Drivers arn't Taxi Drivers...? They obviously are, just with different restrictions to Hackney cars. What does that have to do with anything?
dodger wrote:
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
Private Hire Drivers arn't Taxi Drivers...? They obviously are, just with different restrictions to Hackney cars. What does that have to do with anything?
Posted by: Mullarkian, York on 3:13pm Wed 7 May 08
Why do people think they have the right to permanently park their vehicle on the public highway?
This causes an obstruction no matter how you look at it, and when vehicles are parked on both side of the road it sometimes leaves only a sigle lane for traffic to pass.
If you haven't got off road parking then you should not have a vehicle.
Why do people think they have the right to permanently park their vehicle on the public highway?
This causes an obstruction no matter how you look at it, and when vehicles are parked on both side of the road it sometimes leaves only a sigle lane for traffic to pass.
If you haven't got off road parking then you should not have a vehicle.
Posted by: Brian, york on 3:13pm Wed 7 May 08
Mr Waller should know that the narrow roads in Ascot way/Windsor garth are not suitable for large buses,and yellow lines is not the answer they should look at small hopper buses or reroute the buses ,if vehicles are parking causing obstructions they should get a penaly notice ,its about time the councillors put residents first instead of first buses.
Mr Waller should know that the narrow roads in Ascot way/Windsor garth are not suitable for large buses,and yellow lines is not the answer they should look at small hopper buses or reroute the buses ,if vehicles are parking causing obstructions they should get a penaly notice ,its about time the councillors put residents first instead of first buses.
Posted by: North Wales Yorkie, North Wales on 3:15pm Wed 7 May 08
Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?
Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?
Posted by: Guy Fawkes, Bootham on 3:18pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?[/quote]
Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?
Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
Posted by: JS, York on 3:32pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]cynical[/bold] wrote:
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).[/quote] I'm sorry cynical... but YES, the council do only pay for drives and laybys on FTR routes.
cynical wrote:
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).
I'm sorry cynical... but YES, the council do only pay for drives and laybys on FTR routes.
Posted by: Paul Hepworth, York on 3:36pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?[/quote] Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.[/quote] Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything. The revenue goes to the Exchequer who spend it on 3rd world aid, nuclear missiles etc. A small amount indirectly reaches the Highways Agency budget. That is spent on M-ways and Trunk Roads. Local roads in York are funded by CoYC substantially via Council Tax to which most of us contribute.
But even that does not entitle car owners to park on the road. Whether outside their own homes or anywhere else.
Guy Fawkes wrote:
Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?
Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything. The revenue goes to the Exchequer who spend it on 3rd world aid, nuclear missiles etc. A small amount indirectly reaches the Highways Agency budget. That is spent on M-ways and Trunk Roads. Local roads in York are funded by CoYC substantially via Council Tax to which most of us contribute.
But even that does not entitle car owners to park on the road. Whether outside their own homes or anywhere else.
Posted by: JS, York on 3:43pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]paul[/bold] wrote:
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them, if the vehicles were correctly parked this wouldnt be needed so i totaly agree and if they want to put them outside my house thats fine im sick of driving down yorks streets with cars on grass verges, double parked etc its about time the council acted and ticketed these vehicles, and i notice you found yet another poor taxi driver they are the biggest bunch of whingers ive ever seen they want to pay for nothing and get every priveledge in the book. york cabs are vastly over priced and the service is a joke they should take a trip to harrogate and see how it should be done.[/quote] So, let me get this straight, is the gravity of your whinge directed at people parking outside there own house.. or at taxi/private hire drivers.?
F**k off back to Harrogate if its so wonderful then twinkle.!
paul wrote:
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them, if the vehicles were correctly parked this wouldnt be needed so i totaly agree and if they want to put them outside my house thats fine im sick of driving down yorks streets with cars on grass verges, double parked etc its about time the council acted and ticketed these vehicles, and i notice you found yet another poor taxi driver they are the biggest bunch of whingers ive ever seen they want to pay for nothing and get every priveledge in the book. york cabs are vastly over priced and the service is a joke they should take a trip to harrogate and see how it should be done.
So, let me get this straight, is the gravity of your whinge directed at people parking outside there own house.. or at taxi/private hire drivers.?
F**k off back to Harrogate if its so wonderful then twinkle.!
Posted by: chris2705, york on 4:00pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]dodger[/bold] wrote:
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines [/quote] oh dodger another jealous person. But see you dont have the guts to show your true identity. The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
dodger wrote:
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
oh dodger another jealous person. But see you dont have the guts to show your true identity. The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
Posted by: Bemused, York on 4:04pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]Private Hire Drivers arn't Taxi Drivers...? They obviously are, just with different restrictions to Hackney cars.[/quote]
They obviously are not, the term 'taxi' can only apply to Hackney carriages.
Private Hire Drivers arn't Taxi Drivers...? They obviously are, just with different restrictions to Hackney cars.
They obviously are not, the term 'taxi' can only apply to Hackney carriages.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 4:14pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up[/quote]
It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage.
[quote][bold]Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition[/bold]
"A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976)
[bold]Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition[/bold]
"Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.)
And from the [bold]City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions[/bold] -
"..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. [bold]The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".[/bold][/quote]
The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage.
Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition
"A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976)
Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition
"Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.)
And from the City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions -
"..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".
Posted by: andydag, York on 4:15pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Mullarkian[/bold] wrote:
Why do people think they have the right to permanently park their vehicle on the public highway? This causes an obstruction no matter how you look at it, and when vehicles are parked on both side of the road it sometimes leaves only a sigle lane for traffic to pass. If you haven't got off road parking then you should not have a vehicle.[/quote] Like lots of things - one or two doing it is not a problem, but the scale of on street parking has now reached saturation point on many of our streets.Technically anyone parking so as to impede traffic is causing an obstruction - a police matter. Yellow lines make it an offence that the traffic wardens can enforce. However each year we have more yellow lines on our streets but the same number (or less) wardens!
Mullarkian wrote:
Why do people think they have the right to permanently park their vehicle on the public highway? This causes an obstruction no matter how you look at it, and when vehicles are parked on both side of the road it sometimes leaves only a sigle lane for traffic to pass. If you haven't got off road parking then you should not have a vehicle.
Like lots of things - one or two doing it is not a problem, but the scale of on street parking has now reached saturation point on many of our streets.Technically anyone parking so as to impede traffic is causing an obstruction - a police matter. Yellow lines make it an offence that the traffic wardens can enforce. However each year we have more yellow lines on our streets but the same number (or less) wardens!
Posted by: chris2705, york on 4:22pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Bemused[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up[/quote] It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage. [quote][bold]Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition[/bold] "A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976) [bold]Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition[/bold] "Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.) And from the [bold]City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions[/bold] - "..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. [bold]The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".[/bold][/quote] [/quote] why go into all this, just ask any person who they are they will tell you "taxi drivers" when they call the firm they say can i order a taxi. Does not matter what anyone says private hire licences and hackney licences cost the same the only difference is that with private hire it has to be pre booked and the fact that private hire provides a better service as well
Bemused wrote:
The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage. Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition "A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976) Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition "Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.) And from the City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions - "..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".
why go into all this, just ask any person who they are they will tell you "taxi drivers" when they call the firm they say can i order a taxi. Does not matter what anyone says private hire licences and hackney licences cost the same the only difference is that with private hire it has to be pre booked and the fact that private hire provides a better service as well
Posted by: LibDem, York on 4:31pm Wed 7 May 08
Most residents on this bus route already have access to an off street parking space.
Those that don't were offered a free [italic]dropped kerb[/italic] paid for by the local ward committee. The offer was made last October and work at the 8 addresses that responded positively is underway.
Mr Bevan runs a large mini bus which causes access problems for more than just the scheduled bus services.
His neighbour is a disabled war pensioner who has complained on several occasions about his driveway being blocked. It is he, and other neighbours, who are pressing for these restrictions to be introduced.
Most residents on this bus route already have access to an off street parking space.
Those that don't were offered a free
dropped kerb paid for by the local ward committee. The offer was made last October and work at the 8 addresses that responded positively is underway.
Mr Bevan runs a large mini bus which causes access problems for more than just the scheduled bus services.
His neighbour is a disabled war pensioner who has complained on several occasions about his driveway being blocked. It is he, and other neighbours, who are pressing for these restrictions to be introduced.
Posted by: tonesview, york on 4:37pm Wed 7 May 08
Personally, I can sympathise with these guys.I would be pretty pi$$ed off if it was down our street,especially if they've lived there for a long time as someone said earlier this will affect the house prices if you can sell at all with no on street parking
Personally, I can sympathise with these guys.I would be pretty pi$$ed off if it was down our street,especially if they've lived there for a long time as someone said earlier this will affect the house prices if you can sell at all with no on street parking
Posted by: Keith, York on 4:40pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Bemused[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up[/quote] It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage. [quote][bold]Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition[/bold] "A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976) [bold]Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition[/bold] "Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.) And from the [bold]City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions[/bold] - "..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. [bold]The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".[/bold][/quote] [/quote] Geek!
Bemused wrote:
The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage. Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition "A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976) Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition "Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.) And from the City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions - "..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".
Geek!
Posted by: JS, York on 4:41pm Wed 7 May 08
Many thanks "Bemused" you fence a compelling argument.. You've obviously done your homework on this one..
Just a little confused though m8, what has any of it got to do with residents parking.?
Keep up the good fight, look forward to reading more of your comments.. A+.!
Many thanks "Bemused" you fence a compelling argument.. You've obviously done your homework on this one..
Just a little confused though m8, what has any of it got to do with residents parking.?
Keep up the good fight, look forward to reading more of your comments.. A+.!
Posted by: paul, york on 4:43pm Wed 7 May 08
JS i live in york, always have and always will my comment was based on a recent visit to harrogate, now thats cleared up.
but if you have the guts to meet me ill let you try to make me do the comments you suggest but i can assure you that i will not be intimidated by your threats.
if you have the pride to stand by your childish comments im sure the press would welcome giving you the oppertunity to meet me face to face.
lets see if your all talk JS
JS i live in york, always have and always will my comment was based on a recent visit to harrogate, now thats cleared up.
but if you have the guts to meet me ill let you try to make me do the comments you suggest but i can assure you that i will not be intimidated by your threats.
if you have the pride to stand by your childish comments im sure the press would welcome giving you the oppertunity to meet me face to face.
lets see if your all talk JS
Posted by: Guy Fawkes, Bootham on 4:48pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything.[/quote]
If that is the case, why does anybody pay it?
Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything.
If that is the case, why does anybody pay it?
Posted by: Chumpy69, York on 5:09pm Wed 7 May 08
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.
Posted by: franky, york on 5:21pm Wed 7 May 08
Wouldn't be a day goes by without the Press reporting York residents being "angry" or showing "fury" or "hitting out against" something...
what a pleasant picture of this city the local paper paints!
Wouldn't be a day goes by without the Press reporting York residents being "angry" or showing "fury" or "hitting out against" something...
what a pleasant picture of this city the local paper paints!
Posted by: Bemused, York on 5:56pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]Just a little confused though m8, what has any of it got to do with residents parking.? [/quote]
Naff all, but a smart@rse got it wrong.
Just a little confused though m8, what has any of it got to do with residents parking.?
Naff all, but a smart@rse got it wrong.
Posted by: Peter, york on 6:09pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Chumpy69[/bold] wrote:
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.[/quote] If pedal cyclists were taxed as cars the fee would be ZERO as would any car with such low co2 emissions eg electic cars, all it would is cost the tax payer packet to administer.
Do you still want to 'tax' bikes ?
Chumpy69 wrote:
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.
If pedal cyclists were taxed as cars the fee would be ZERO as would any car with such low co2 emissions eg electic cars, all it would is cost the tax payer packet to administer.
Do you still want to 'tax' bikes ?
Posted by: TooRad, york on 8:31pm Wed 7 May 08
Yawn, what happened to the de Bretton vs beggars comments?
Yawn, what happened to the de Bretton vs beggars comments?
Posted by: Stevie in Selby, Selby on 9:54pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]JS[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]cynical[/bold] wrote:
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).[/quote] I'm sorry cynical... but YES, the council do only pay for drives and laybys on FTR routes.[/quote] Not true - the council have recently installed laybys on Melrosegate, on the number 6 route.
JS wrote:
cynical wrote:
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).
I'm sorry cynical... but YES, the council do only pay for drives and laybys on FTR routes.
Not true - the council have recently installed laybys on Melrosegate, on the number 6 route.
Posted by: Bob Reid, York on 10:07pm Wed 7 May 08
Surprised the Council want to increase the number of double yellows - surely this will impact on their lucrative Respark business?
Or maybe they hope to make more money from parking fines than the fine, sorry fee, they charge for Respark.
Always intrigued me as to how the wardens would turn up at 6am on a Saturday morning (such a favoured parking time for commuters) but never mid morning on a weekday.
Surprised the Council want to increase the number of double yellows - surely this will impact on their lucrative Respark business?
Or maybe they hope to make more money from parking fines than the fine, sorry fee, they charge for Respark.
Always intrigued me as to how the wardens would turn up at 6am on a Saturday morning (such a favoured parking time for commuters) but never mid morning on a weekday.
Posted by: Gardener, NZ on 10:40pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: [quote]Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?[/quote] Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.[/quote] Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything. The revenue goes to the Exchequer who spend it on 3rd world aid, nuclear missiles etc. A small amount indirectly reaches the Highways Agency budget. That is spent on M-ways and Trunk Roads. Local roads in York are funded by CoYC substantially via Council Tax to which most of us contribute. But even that does not entitle car owners to park on the road. Whether outside their own homes or anywhere else. [/quote] ... pity cyclists don't pay road tax to ride on pavements, through red lights and without lights in the dark as well burt he'll have an answer to that. Hypocritical really as he was working on the tour buses which don't give cyclists a chance and cause more pollution, but hey no one's perfect.
Paul Hepworth wrote:
Guy Fawkes wrote: Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?
Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything. The revenue goes to the Exchequer who spend it on 3rd world aid, nuclear missiles etc. A small amount indirectly reaches the Highways Agency budget. That is spent on M-ways and Trunk Roads. Local roads in York are funded by CoYC substantially via Council Tax to which most of us contribute. But even that does not entitle car owners to park on the road. Whether outside their own homes or anywhere else.
... pity cyclists don't pay road tax to ride on pavements, through red lights and without lights in the dark as well burt he'll have an answer to that. Hypocritical really as he was working on the tour buses which don't give cyclists a chance and cause more pollution, but hey no one's perfect.
Posted by: viper on 10:41pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Peter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Chumpy69[/bold] wrote:
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.[/quote] If pedal cyclists were taxed as cars the fee would be ZERO as would any car with such low co2 emissions eg electic cars, all it would is cost the tax payer packet to administer.
Do you still want to 'tax' bikes ?[/quote] electric cars - low CO2? Just where do you think the electricity comes from? Yes in the main Gas and Coal fired power stations.
Electric vehicles are grossly inefficient due to losing so much energy in charging the batteries and then so much lost again in actually using them, not to mention the polluting chemicals that make up the batteries.
Electric cars are NOT efficient.
Peter wrote:
Chumpy69 wrote:
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.
If pedal cyclists were taxed as cars the fee would be ZERO as would any car with such low co2 emissions eg electic cars, all it would is cost the tax payer packet to administer.
Do you still want to 'tax' bikes ?
electric cars - low CO2? Just where do you think the electricity comes from? Yes in the main Gas and Coal fired power stations.
Electric vehicles are grossly inefficient due to losing so much energy in charging the batteries and then so much lost again in actually using them, not to mention the polluting chemicals that make up the batteries.
Electric cars are NOT efficient.
Posted by: Gardener, NZ on 10:42pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Bob Reid[/bold] wrote:
Surprised the Council want to increase the number of double yellows - surely this will impact on their lucrative Respark business? Or maybe they hope to make more money from parking fines than the fine, sorry fee, they charge for Respark. Always intrigued me as to how the wardens would turn up at 6am on a Saturday morning (such a favoured parking time for commuters) but never mid morning on a weekday.[/quote] ... York has traffic wardens, so where do they lurk as delivery lorries parked on Ouse Bridge on double yellows every morning, cars and vans ignored the restrictions on Coney Street and so on.. so are you sure this isn't a scare tactic by the council?
Bob Reid wrote:
Surprised the Council want to increase the number of double yellows - surely this will impact on their lucrative Respark business? Or maybe they hope to make more money from parking fines than the fine, sorry fee, they charge for Respark. Always intrigued me as to how the wardens would turn up at 6am on a Saturday morning (such a favoured parking time for commuters) but never mid morning on a weekday.
... York has traffic wardens, so where do they lurk as delivery lorries parked on Ouse Bridge on double yellows every morning, cars and vans ignored the restrictions on Coney Street and so on.. so are you sure this isn't a scare tactic by the council?
Posted by: Tutts, York on 3:59pm Thu 8 May 08
I can sympathise with these poor people. whilst I am all for double yellow lines where parking could generally cause a hazard, my belief sibnce moving to York five years ago is that it is a money manking scheme for York Council. Anyone who doesn't agree, come and have a look at the layout of the double yellos in Berkeley Terrace then compare to the next road down where Costcutter is; in the latter the yellow lines allow parking approximately two metres away from a narrow, very busy road junction. In Berkeley Terrrace there is a no thought process to the lines - theres even a car space just in from the junction then lines continue - looks like the line painters painted round a parked car!!!
I can sympathise with these poor people. whilst I am all for double yellow lines where parking could generally cause a hazard, my belief sibnce moving to York five years ago is that it is a money manking scheme for York Council. Anyone who doesn't agree, come and have a look at the layout of the double yellos in Berkeley Terrace then compare to the next road down where Costcutter is; in the latter the yellow lines allow parking approximately two metres away from a narrow, very busy road junction. In Berkeley Terrrace there is a no thought process to the lines - theres even a car space just in from the junction then lines continue - looks like the line painters painted round a parked car!!!
Posted by: york1900, York on 11:42pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Brian[/bold] wrote:
Mr Waller should know that the narrow roads in Ascot way/Windsor garth are not suitable for large buses,and yellow lines is not the answer they should look at small hopper buses or reroute the buses ,if vehicles are parking causing obstructions they should get a penaly notice ,its about time the councillors put residents first instead of first buses.[/quote] It's not First buses that run down there
Bring on the yellow lines as most drivers don't take notice of them anyway
Brian wrote:
Mr Waller should know that the narrow roads in Ascot way/Windsor garth are not suitable for large buses,and yellow lines is not the answer they should look at small hopper buses or reroute the buses ,if vehicles are parking causing obstructions they should get a penaly notice ,its about time the councillors put residents first instead of first buses.
It's not First buses that run down there
Bring on the yellow lines as most drivers don't take notice of them anyway
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